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Post by mpn1jco on Mar 9, 2017 2:42:16 GMT
1. Ross has sold nowhere near the amount of records as a solo act as Tina Turner. I have already posted the hard numerical facts.
2. Ross is a public relations nightmare. Who hates Tina Turner? Most people hate Ross.
3. Tina Turner puts on an excellent show. Ross has been sleepwalking through the same show since the mid-eighties.
4. Being seen shopping everyday in a beat up car looking like a distracted housewife limits your audience sharply.
numbers don't lie. Jobeterob posts fake numbers to support Ross - beware!
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Post by Reese on Mar 9, 2017 5:01:37 GMT
I would also venture to add that Tina's life story is well known to current audiences and has made her an inspiration to many. It is well-known that she had to overcome a lot of adversity before she had the major success of the 80s and 90s. The film of her life, WHAT'S LOVE GOT TO DO WITH IT, is constantly on tv. The last time Tina toured in America, 2008-2009 I believe, it had been almost 20 years since her last hit, but she still drew arena-sized crowds.
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Post by mpn1jco on Mar 9, 2017 11:43:22 GMT
I looked at the top 175 grossing tours of 2016 and Ross was nowhere to be found. Here are some of the ranking of veteran artists:
20. Streisand 34. Dolly Parton 35. James Taylor 47. Stevie Nicks 57. Madonna 76. Mariah Carey 93. Bonnie Raitt 126. Lionel Richie 174. Culture Club
The tour that Tina Turner did in a few months in 2009 grossed more than Ross has for this past decade of touring.
Average gross for a Ross show is $155,000
Whatever it is Ross is wearing is ill-fitting. PLEASE CLEAN AND SWEEP THE STAGE BEFORE THE SHOW!
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Post by hector on Mar 9, 2017 15:32:22 GMT
Thank you Chainreaction for always telling the truth! It is like Kryptonite, crucifix, garlic, holy water, mirror and blinding sunlight to these lying ass Diana Ross fans! Diana Ross can't help anyone sell tickets which is why she is playing places mostly the size of high school auditoriums now. The truth may also be that Lionel Richie can no longer sell tickets because he has not had a hit in nearly 25 years himself. Besides, Diane is not going to be his opening act, so they can dream on. Diana is a cultural icon who can attract massive crowds at astronomical prices. You'll remember that at some large sports event recently, some of the 20ish year old players were mesmerized by Diana, but they also didn't really know any of her songs. There were only 800 people in attendance at that "event" in Houston Mr. Liar!
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Post by hector on Mar 9, 2017 15:38:50 GMT
This is one of those questions that puzzels/ interests me. How does a Diana Ross that has so many hit records not be able to fill a stadium/arena but a Tina Turner with less hits can? Because she can no longer sing in conjunction with the boring show for the last 20yrs. She needs a new stage act, make over, and a vocal chord transplant. That's the whole truth and nothin but the truth. That pretty much sums it up! Thank you Drummer.
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Post by hector on Mar 9, 2017 15:42:19 GMT
1. Ross has sold nowhere near the amount of records as a solo act as Tina Turner. I have already posted the hard numerical facts.
2. Ross is a public relations nightmare. Who hates Tina Turner? Most people hate Ross.
3. Tina Turner puts on an excellent show. Ross has been sleepwalking through the same show since the mid-eighties.
4. Being seen shopping everyday in a beat up car look like a distracted housewife limits your audience sharply.
In other words, she has no commercial appeal, hence her status as a "cult artist" with a cult like following.
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Post by hector on Mar 9, 2017 15:46:58 GMT
I looked at the top 175 grossing tours of 2016 and Ross was nowhere to be found. Here are some of the ranking of veteran artists:
20. Streisand 34. Dolly Parton 35. James Taylor 47. Stevie Nicks 57. Madonna 76. Mariah Carey 93. Bonnie Raitt 126. Lionel Richie 174. Culture Club
The tour that Tina Turner did in a few months in 2009 grossed more than Ross has for this past decade of touring.
Average gross for a Ross show is $155,000 Whatever it is Ross is wearing is ill-fitting. PLEASE CLEAN AND SWEEP THE STAGE BEFORE THE SHOW!
She looks like the Jolly Green Giant in that cheap looking get up!
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Post by Sammy7819 on Mar 10, 2017 4:37:22 GMT
Average gross for a Mary Wilson show is $5,000 and ou of that aunt mary get $800. LOL poor mary, an Old Washed Up Hand Clapper, from the 60's, She was employed by D I A N A R O S S for a couple of years.Then drifted into Cocaine Addiction eventually going Bankrupt, now she squeezing her broke ass into a $20 gown and pretending to be Lena Horne for 20 comped fools. Lena must be turnin in her grave at a Ho butchering her songs.
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Post by bluerock on Mar 11, 2017 0:51:13 GMT
From another board. The streets are talking the real reason LIONEL put the brakes on the tour was to disrupt a MAJOR financial LOSS if it had continued at this point. MARIAH isn't bringing in the sales he though her high profile name would. Her popularity has waned in the last decade and those lipsyncing rumors didn't help ticket sales. He is considering replacing her with DIANA ROSS. I think this is genius because DIANA consistently brings in a crowd and she is more his style than MARIAH. However, I don't see DIANA being anyone's opening act unless it's as a double act and doing a killer version on Endless Love, But he and MARIAH I'm sorry that is just a weird combination. It could work though. I thought MARY J. and MAXWELL were unequally yoked but their tour was a major success. I don't blame him, I love Mariah and all but her management is ruining her legacy. Diana is a good replacement because she has an amazing legacy and still draws in big crowds. I do worry for her i have to say. She is not at all comfortable performing live. She was always far better studio based, but even that seems beyond her now. I wish she would just quit the business and move out of the public eye. It could yet save her life. We do not want another breakdown or even worse a Whitney style tragedy. I also wish her well.
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Post by bluerock on Mar 11, 2017 0:52:46 GMT
I love Mariah from way back but the truth is she cannot cut it anymore. She always lack charisma and stage presence when performing live but always sounded great on record. Now she has lost the ability to sing decently on record , and despite all the tricks of the trade no producer or mixer on this earth can change that. It is a great pity because i regarded her as the new Whitney in the early 90's. Working with her presented some difficult challenges but i remained a fan until an incident around 14 years ago that confirmed to me what i had been fearing - Mariah was losing her vocal ability, and this is because she did not look after her voice despite pleas from her inner circle. Now her "live" shows are virtually 100% lip synched and that is not good. As regards Lionel he too has lost a considerable amount of his vocal ability but not through neglect. Some artists voices deteriorate faster than others. With Lionel it is purely down to age and little else, but to his great credit he remains a showman and can still put on a good show if you are willing to accept it will not be the Lionel from the 70's and 80's.
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Post by mpn1jco on Mar 11, 2017 1:02:25 GMT
Most of what you say could apply to Ross, it is sad that you cannot be objective with her.
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Post by hector on Mar 11, 2017 21:22:51 GMT
Mariah Carey is worth 5 times that of Diana Ross. If Mariah retired, who would Diana open for at those private house party gigs?
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Post by CeeCee on Mar 12, 2017 19:36:31 GMT
Only Diane and her most deluded fans would argue that “Diana Ross” is the center of the universe. I guess if you surround yourself with people who believe that, you will begin to believe it too. Diane’s people said, “Diane, go out and do the “Return to Love” tour. No one will notice that the Supremes aren’t the original girls.It’s always been about you…you are a diva!” You saw what happened! After the public humiliation, Diane finally lost her mind! I rest my case.
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Post by ollie9 on Mar 12, 2017 19:47:08 GMT
Diana has been a solo act since the early 60s. The voice I fell in love is the most successful female artist of all time!
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Post by chainreaction on Mar 12, 2017 19:51:07 GMT
Only Diane and her most deluded fans would argue that “Diana Ross” is the center of the universe. I guess if you surround yourself with people who believe that, you will begin to believe it too. Diane’s people said, “Diane, go out and do the “Return to Love” tour. No one will notice that the Supremes aren’t the original girls.It’s always been about you…you are a diva!” You saw what happened! After the public humiliation, Diane finally lost her mind! I rest my case.
Thanks dear, the post of the month!
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