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Post by Curious George on Jun 8, 2017 0:49:36 GMT
Both of them started off as the lead singer of a hugely successful girl group and then went on to have hugely successful solo career. A few friends of mine recently said that they think Beyonce will surpass Diana Ross in impact/legacy. What do you guys think?
Diana Ross Career Achievements: Lead Singer on 18 #1 Singles(12 with the Supremes, 6 as a solo act) 100 million records sold worldwide Oscar nomination One of the biggest pop stars of the 60's,70's and early 80's. One of the biggest pop icons of our time.
Beyonce Career Achievements: 9 #1 Singles(4 with Destiny's Child, 5 as a solo act) 20 Grammys 160 million records sold worldwide One of the biggest pop stars out right now
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Post by hector on Jun 8, 2017 1:58:51 GMT
Both of them started off as the lead singer of a hugely successful girl group and then went on to have hugely successful solo career. A few friends of mine recently said that they think Beyonce will surpass Diana Ross in impact/legacy. What do you guys think? Diana Ross Career Achievements: Lead Singer on 18 #1 Singles(12 with the Supremes, 6 as a solo act) 100 million records sold worldwide Oscar nomination One of the biggest pop stars of the 60's,70's and early 80's. One of the biggest pop icons of our time. Beyonce Career Achievements: 9 #1 Singles(4 with Destiny's Child, 5 as a solo act) 20 Grammys 160 million records sold worldwide One of the biggest pop stars out right now Sounds like she's already done it. However, Destiny's Child were never as big as The Supremes.
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Post by mpn1jco on Jun 12, 2017 23:47:18 GMT
The sales of the Supremes are always combined with Ross' record sales. Ross has not sold 100 million records. Her total album sales as a solo artist are 15 million in the US and not a whole lot more than that for worldwide sales. Berry Gordy kept Ross record sales a secret by not registering them with the RIAA. He hyped her sales because of inflated Billboard chart positions. Beginning in 1989, the only album of original material to exceed the 100,000 range was Force Behind The Power, selling 300,000.
Beyonce sells albums. Her first two album exceeded the total sales of Ross worldwide for her entire career! Ross has never seen the type of money from touring that Beyonce has. Beyonce has grossed close to a billion with all of her tours. Ross can tour all year and gross 5-6 million.
Regarding awards, Ross has received few awards in her career until recently. A Lifetime Grammy, Kennedy Awards, Freedom Award specifically. Beyonce has received 20 Grammys and countless other awards.
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Post by hector on Jun 13, 2017 1:00:07 GMT
Beyonce has WON 22 Grammy Awards and Miss Ross has never WON one? Whitney Houston was the most awarded female artist of all time, according to Guinness World Records, with two Emmy Awards, six Grammy Awards, 30 Billboard Music Awards, 22 American Music Awards, among a total of 415 career awards as of 2010. She held the all-time record for the most American Music Awards of any female solo artist and shared the record with Michael Jackson for the most AMAs ever won in a single year with eight wins in 1994. I know Aretha has won 20 Grammys.
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Post by mpn1jco on Jun 13, 2017 15:32:48 GMT
Correction - Ross during a full touring year grosses 4 million not 5 to 6 million. Also, Force Behind The Power sold 300,000 in the UK, and 100,000 in the US and had gold worldwide sales. Although Force Behind The Power was a comeback in sales for Ross, her next album Take Me Higher was a worldwide flop.
It should be noted that If We Hold On Together sold 400,000 in Japan in 1988 Chain Reaction sold 500,000 in the UK and had worldwide sales close to one million in 1985.
Ross is playing dates such as the Sycuan Indian Reservation casino.
To get a good idea of what Ross is making is read Mary Wilson's Supreme Faith. The Supremes in the final years were not short of work - they were on the road constantly. Yes, they had dates at the prestigious London Palladium, but they also were on the gin mill circuit. They were struggling on a career treadmill never really getting ahead.
Ross is getting a couple hundred of thousand from touring. She is also getting a social security check, and royalty checks. She is not in poverty but I doubt she can afford a staff, a mansion, spending thousands of dollars on clothes and cosmetics, limos, helicopters etc. To her credit , she has realized that she can no longer live the life of a star and obviously does not.
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Post by hector on Jun 13, 2017 20:03:30 GMT
Her Ex-husband Arne Naess warned her! She has overspent! Did you know her daughter Tracee is one of the lowest paid actresses on a hit television series?
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Post by mpn1jco on Jun 14, 2017 2:55:37 GMT
Her Ex-husband Arne Naess warned her! She has overspent! Did you know her daughter Tracee is one of the lowest paid actresses on a hit television series? I read about her and the cast of Empire. I thought it was strange when she was on Ellen directly after Ross received the Freedom Award, which Ellen received also, the only mention of Ross was, "That's my Mom." Ellen made no comment. I really thought Ross would do the talk circuit after the award, but there was nothing.
Ross' spending was a problem in the marriage. Ross was spending hundreds of thousands of dollars a month on makeup, clothes, limos, helicopters etc. She was making a lot of money in those days as a solid concert draw. Evidently she thought those days would never end. Ross is a washed up - has been touring with a cheap show in low rent venues. Her weave looks cheap and uncombed. She had a lot of plastic surgery through the years but evidently has not been able to afford the touch ups.
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Post by hector on Jun 14, 2017 4:50:45 GMT
Her Ex-husband Arne Naess warned her! She has overspent! Did you know her daughter Tracee is one of the lowest paid actresses on a hit television series? I read about her and the cast of Empire. I thought it was strange when she was on Ellen directly after Ross received the Freedom Award, which Ellen received also, the only mention of Ross was, "That's my Mom." Ellen made no comment. I really thought Ross would do the talk circuit after the award, but there was nothing.
Ross' spending was a problem in the marriage. Ross was spending hundreds of thousands of dollars a month on makeup, clothes, limos, helicopters etc. She was making a lot of money in those days as a solid concert draw. Evidently she thought those days would never end. Ross is a washed up - has been touring with a cheap show in low rent venues. Her weave looks cheap and uncombed. She had a lot of plastic surgery through the years but evidently has not been able to afford the touch ups.
and she is fat as Hell!
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Post by vgalindo on Jun 18, 2017 19:24:22 GMT
Beyonce has WON 22 Grammy Awards and Miss Ross has never WON one? Whitney Houston was the most awarded female artist of all time, according to Guinness World Records, with two Emmy Awards, six Grammy Awards, 30 Billboard Music Awards, 22 American Music Awards, among a total of 415 career awards as of 2010. She held the all-time record for the most American Music Awards of any female solo artist and shared the record with Michael Jackson for the most AMAs ever won in a single year with eight wins in 1994. I know Aretha has won 20 Grammys. Diana Ross never won a single Grammy Award in her whole life. So the Academy decides to give her a Grammy lifetime achievement award. It is awarded in the afternoon with a group of others before the official televised ceremony. This was very disrespectful to Miss Diana Ross. The highlight of the televised show should have been Diana receiving her well earned Grammy. The producers messed up big time.
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Post by chainreaction on Jul 2, 2017 15:16:30 GMT
Beyonce has WON 22 Grammy Awards and Miss Ross has never WON one? Whitney Houston was the most awarded female artist of all time, according to Guinness World Records, with two Emmy Awards, six Grammy Awards, 30 Billboard Music Awards, 22 American Music Awards, among a total of 415 career awards as of 2010. She held the all-time record for the most American Music Awards of any female solo artist and shared the record with Michael Jackson for the most AMAs ever won in a single year with eight wins in 1994. I know Aretha has won 20 Grammys. Diana Ross never won a single Grammy Award in her whole life. So the Academy decides to give her a Grammy lifetime achievement award. It is awarded in the afternoon with a group of others before the official televised ceremony. This was very disrespectful to Miss Diana Ross. The highlight of the televised show should have been Diana receiving her well earned Grammy. The producers messed up big time. Darling If ignorance it bliss, you must be the happiest little girl on earth precious.
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Post by Phillip on Jul 4, 2017 21:25:06 GMT
. From 1964 on, every note that Diana sang, she always sounded full of herself, in love with herself, full of ego. It makes her unlistenable. I definitly prefer the Jean Terrell years. She is also largely responsible for the decline of Motown during the '70s, partially why the attempted MoWest efforts were a flop, etc. There is just nothing to like or respect about this woman.
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Post by Sammy7819 on Jul 6, 2017 3:25:51 GMT
Listen Marv-Hector-SISSY-LadyMan, I wouldn't be calling Diana fat when you bigger than aunty mary hog of a daughter, Turdkissa Ferrer-Baboonich. You got to be hitting the 450lb mark Marv-Hector/DetroitLIES666, and you got a tired, dated moustache covering up that hairlip, and you old and brute ugleeeee. You poor sissy BITCH haven't seen 40 in age or waist size for the better part of 40 years. Did ya'll look at the photos of big obese Marv-Hector in the "Tired of the ass kissing" thread? LMAO. Old Hector AssSlurper is about 450lbs and looks older than whoreish old aunt mary's Former poking partner Duke Fakir. LMAO. That shameless 450lb old sissy HAULED his old obese, greasy ass up to Detroit to rim big Poppa Ralph faster than Turdkissa Ferrer can gobble down three 12" meetball hoagies. Can you imagine Marv-Hector and Turdkissa at the assembly line buffet at the Motor City Casino? Those greasy heifers would mow you the fuck down to get to the food. LOL
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Post by KR on Nov 21, 2018 10:39:06 GMT
Regarding Beyonce: The Recording Industry Association of America (RIAA) recognized her as the Top Certified Artist of the 2000s decade. As of June 2016, in the United States, Beyoncé has sold 17.2 million albums as a solo artist, and a further 17 million albums as part of Destiny's Child.
Let's forget about sales for a minute. The question at the beginning of this thread was about cultural impact. As much as Beyonce has accomplished, and she's accomplished quite a bit, she still has not accomplished as much as Diana Ross has in movies and television. Her films were groundbreaking for a music artist and still have a cultural impact today. That includes "Mahogany", "Lady Sings The Blues", and "The Wiz". Let's also keep in mind that Diana Ross and The Supremes at their height had to battle racial discrimination during a time where African-Americans were fighting for their rights and in some cases their lives. They also did not have the benefit of Twitter, Facebook, Instagram, Snapchat, YouTube, SoundCloud, or any other form of digital media that exists today which allows you to reach a larger audience much faster. Diana Ross had three forms of media to expose and maintain her brand: television, radio, and touring. Beyonce and all the rest of these other Millennial artists have had it easy compared to historically established artists. EASY!
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