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Post by hector on Jun 18, 2017 23:10:34 GMT
I don't think Aretha looks all that great in this picture. She and Diana Ross are about the same size now.
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Post by Derelict In The Basket on Jun 18, 2017 23:23:26 GMT
I don't think Aretha looks all that great in this picture. She and Diana Ross are about the same size now. Diane would have made a good lez couple with Aretha a few years ago.
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Post by ranran on Jun 25, 2017 22:59:03 GMT
Mary was smart enough to recognize that what she was doing was real work. Who doesn't want a check? Especially after seeing what Florence went through, falling on hard times. She was going to do what she needed to do to keep a check and I don't blame her. But I also think there was a part of her that was attached to the Supremes- even the idea of it- in a way that Diana and Flo were not, and as such she did- and is- the keeper of the flame
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Post by ranran on Jun 25, 2017 23:00:09 GMT
The only lead singers Mary seemed to have a problem with were Diana and Jean, and the two situations can't be compared. Her problems with Diana were also seen through the eyes of someone who was Diana's peer. They started this thing together and when Diana's ego got out of control I can imagine Mary often taking exception, and she should have. Jean is a different story. After Diana left they may have all been "equal" but Mary was the leader of that group, and she should have been based on seniority alone. I know that if I were in Mary's shoes I would have seen myself that way and I would have wanted Jean to defer to me when necessary. Jean obviously wasn't that type and there you have the conflict. But I don't think it's fair to say Mary had a problem with lead singers. She didn't seem to have one with Scherrie.
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Post by ranran on Jun 25, 2017 23:00:49 GMT
Wasn't there a situation where there was no contract for the Supremes for a period of time? Wasn't Scherrie hired by Mary during that time? If that's the case, did Jean and Lynda leave when the group's contract was up? If so, at that point I would think there would be no reason for Motown to buy Jean or Lynda out.
New question: do Jean and Lynda received Supremes royalties?
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Post by ranran on Jun 25, 2017 23:01:46 GMT
Maybe, but I'm not convinced, mostly because I just don't think the MSS had good chemistry. I guess they could've made some noise under a new name but I don't think they could have ever set themselves apart from the other acts you mentioned and would have eventually (quickly?) faded away anyway. IMO the grouping that should have left and rebranded themselves was JML. I do not doubt that with all the right elements JML would have been more successful than JMC.
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Post by ranran on Jun 25, 2017 23:02:15 GMT
I don't believe the Supremes would have EVER sustained any "overshadowing" of Ross. That was a force that was going to be no matter what. But I'd bet money that the thought of Ross falling flat and the Supremes' success continuing on made Gordy sick to his stomach. Lol At the same time I find it difficult to believe that he would stop the Supremes' money train to make Diana look good, especially when his goal was for her music career to take a backseat to her acting. I think he washed his hands of the group like Mary said he did. I don't buy for a second that the other powers at the label did the same thing. As good as the Supremes were in the 70s talent wise, their musical output just wasn't knocking the public out. As I've come to find out, thanks to the internet and especially Youtube, they were on television ALL THE TIME performing those songs and it still didn't help. Their records were packaged and shipped out to stores just like everyone else's records, which is why you can walk into any record shop in the country and pick up all those old albums and 45s, and why those records aren't on anyone's "rarity" lists...because they were out there in abundance. It's just that people weren't knocking down record store doors to purchase some of those singles.
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Post by ranran on Jun 25, 2017 23:02:58 GMT
I find it difficult to believe that all of those ladies are holding on to past problems. Not saying that they aren't, just that I find it hard to believe. True, it's entirely possible that not all of them are interested in maintaining either professional or personal relationships with Mary or any others. That's life. But I doubt they don't have respect for Mary and she for them. I think there are a lot of "fans" who are invested in the Supremes hating each other, including Diana and Mary, but the ladies themselves are not interested in such nonsense, including Diana and Mary.
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Post by thanxal on Jun 26, 2017 0:45:30 GMT
RanRan79, you are on roll with you good observations today. It is sad that this trash heap of a forum is invested solely in Diana and Mary hating each other, but the fans and Diana and Mary are not interested in such nonsense. Keep up the good work!
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Post by BayouMotownMan on Jun 26, 2017 1:03:39 GMT
Wasn't there a situation where there was no contract for the Supremes for a period of time? Wasn't Scherrie hired by Mary during that time? If that's the case, did Jean and Lynda leave when the group's contract was up? If so, at that point I would think there would be no reason for Motown to buy Jean or Lynda out. New question: do Jean and Lynda received Supremes royalties? The only Supremes to receive royalties are Diana and Mary. The main cause of Jean's bitterness is that she signed away future royalties when she negotiated her release from Motown in 1974. When re-issues of her product with the Supremes came out Jean was invited to participate in these releases and she declined because she receives no remuneration. Other 70s Supremes, also not receiving royalties from re-issues graciously participated in annotations of their body of wor
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Post by ranran on Jun 26, 2017 1:08:07 GMT
RanRan79, you are on roll with you good observations today. It is sad that this trash heap of a forum is invested solely in Diana and Mary hating each other, but the fans and Diana and Mary are not interested in such nonsense. Keep up the good work! Absolutely Thanxal. I like to think that the ignorant, low intelligence, messy fans are just a very vocal minority.
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