Post by Rip A New Asshole on Apr 18, 2017 8:22:06 GMT
READING IS FUNDAMENTAL! BLUECOCKS JUST GET SERVED!
Here is are the responses to this trash Bluecocks posted
Let me clarify this once and for all. Diana continues to get offers of record deals and has done so for the past few years. There are a couple of labels that want her to record "standards" albums in the vein of the great American Songbook. This is what Clive Davis had her in mind for. He made Diana a more than decent offer for a 4 album deal which she came quite close to signing, but she felt that the market was already over flooded with veteran artists putting this type of album out so she backed out at the last minute. Davis has subsequently returned with similar offers.
She has also been offered deals to record more "current" material with the younger and trendy producers which is of much more interest to her, but here is the stumbling block. Diana would have to travel around the world to promote the product and then undertake an extensive world tour. Those are the conditions, and Diana does not feel like she wants to take on such a commitment at this stage in her life. She is happy to tour the USA and undertake the occasional private gig overseas, but she enjoys spending time with here family and does not want to be away for months at a time. She does not need the money, and she is unlikely to change her stance on this. Alicia Keys wrote some songs specifically for Diana whilst Will i am has expressed a desire to write and produce for her as have Nile Rogers and Pharrell Williams. Justin Timberlake attended one of her gigs last year and practically begged Diana to let him write and produce for her to no avail. It is very unlikely to happen folks, and the only person who can make this happen is Diana herself, but she will not agree to the conditions. I hope this clears up the matter once and for all. My advice? Enjoy her back catalogue and enjoy the occasional unreleased songs on the expanded editions. The forthcoming Ross78 looks especially interesting.....
I am posting quotes from another forum folks. Here is the link. These are not from members of this forum.
If this were true, I have a hard time believing that either of the parties involved (especially Miss Ross), would divulge the details of failed contractual negotiations. For someone who refuses to identify themselves, you post a lot of B.S.
To add on to my last post, if you were for real, you wouldn't be posting all of these secret details on a public forum, regardless of your self professed anonymity. A business professional would be bound to a confidentiality agreement and would not risk posting endless details on a public forum in regards to contracts, music projects, etc., etc., because their client(s) would eventually be able to connect the dots and identify who they are. So if you are for real, shame on you, and if you are not for real, shame on you again.
Helga gave the death blow. LMAO. Ultimate all time favorite read on the internet - ever!
Then it got better:
The standard agreement for contract negotiations in the entertainment industry stipulate that information disclosed during negotiations:
is confidential;
should only be used for a stated specific purpose;
should not be shown to anyone other than certain permitted persons; and
should be returned or destroyed if the deal does not go ahead.
There are infinite problems for disclosing negotiations. What if another high profile artist wanted to work with Clive for a similar project and Clive said gave a polite denial such as " We don't have the budget right now." However, he was pursing another high profile artist for mulit million dollar deals. This could substantially or permanently damage relations with this artist and their camp.
If Clive pursued an artist for a deal and they went elsewhere with a similar project and it bombed, then it could be perceived that his judgment was poor and he is 'losing his touch'. "What was on his mind attempting to sign a washed up has been for that amount of money? "
Information is leaked all the time. Elvis was supposed to be in a Star Is Born with Streisand for example.
However, It is highly unusual for a major artist to authorize such claims to be freely broadcast in public forums on their behalf by an anonymous individual. Then again it may be a most unusual day. I always trust people who do not identify themselves as a rule of thumb.
I only hope that at age 73 that I will have the stamina to maintain Ross' rigorous touring schedule, particularly touring non-stop, squeezing in world tour dates also, for almost 11 years! Most people would be content to spend time with their families at her age. Keep on Ross, you are truly an inspiration
is confidential;
should only be used for a stated specific purpose;
should not be shown to anyone other than certain permitted persons; and
should be returned or destroyed if the deal does not go ahead.
There are infinite problems for disclosing negotiations. What if another high profile artist wanted to work with Clive for a similar project and Clive said gave a polite denial such as " We don't have the budget right now." However, he was pursing another high profile artist for mulit million dollar deals. This could substantially or permanently damage relations with this artist and their camp.
If Clive pursued an artist for a deal and they went elsewhere with a similar project and it bombed, then it could be perceived that his judgment was poor and he is 'losing his touch'. "What was on his mind attempting to sign a washed up has been for that amount of money? "
Information is leaked all the time. Elvis was supposed to be in a Star Is Born with Streisand for example.
However, It is highly unusual for a major artist to authorize such claims to be freely broadcast in public forums on their behalf by an anonymous individual. Then again it may be a most unusual day. I always trust people who do not identify themselves as a rule of thumb.
I only hope that at age 73 that I will have the stamina to maintain Ross' rigorous touring schedule, particularly touring non-stop, squeezing in world tour dates also, for almost 11 years! Most people would be content to spend time with their families at her age. Keep on Ross, you are truly an inspiration
Then it got even better:
Bluebrock, I appreciate your insights but I have a hard time believing this. It's easy to find 2004 interviews with Diana saying things like "Nobody wants me". She made very public at the time the total disdain and rejection record labels in U.S. were having for her.
I find hard to believe that she was being offered multiple deals by Clive Davis and, at the same time, publicly complaining about the lack of interest of the music industry in her.
In other occasions, like Oprah 2011 and the Grammys 2012, she said she would love to record new music, but didn't elaborate the reasons why she wouldn't record new material. It makes sense the fact that she refuses the 360°'s types of deals.
I know you are much more aware than me of the real reasons Diana is retired of the recording industry, but some things are still strange...
I find hard to believe that she was being offered multiple deals by Clive Davis and, at the same time, publicly complaining about the lack of interest of the music industry in her.
In other occasions, like Oprah 2011 and the Grammys 2012, she said she would love to record new music, but didn't elaborate the reasons why she wouldn't record new material. It makes sense the fact that she refuses the 360°'s types of deals.
I know you are much more aware than me of the real reasons Diana is retired of the recording industry, but some things are still strange...
When I Love You was released, Ross talked about how difficult it was for her to secure a record deal as a veteran artist. She also discussed the industry's treatment of veteran artists; putting them out to pasture. On the final Oprah, Ross said she would really like to be recording a new album "BUT THEY WON'T LET ME." Ross also gave interviews discussing her frustration with her rejection by the record industry, stating it was like a puppy pissing on your flower garden. Also discussed by Ross was the possibility of having to go the independent route since the majors didn't want her., but said she said didn't want to do that. Patti Labelle has been similarly as outspoken on how the industry treats veteran artists. I admire for Ross for being so honest about her dilemma rather than pretend she was rejecting lucrative offers left and right. For other veteran artists rejected by the music industry she let them know they were not alone, and it took courage to do that.
Exactly. Exactly.
Diana does not give much details, but she let it be known that it was virtually impossible for her to secure a record deal or record new music several times.
I know that the record industry is very complex and there are many types of deals, but I still find odd that she had Clive Davis offering her different possibilities of a big contract when he was still a major player in the game (mid-00's) and Diana complaining that nobody wanted her at the same time (2004-2005). Something just does not make sense.
Maybe Diana's negociations with Clive happened after those interviews, but I still find strange her complaining when, in reality, she had the choice if she really wanted to...
Something just don't click.
If only someone could find the (video) interview when she mentions Clive and the total lack of interest of the record industry in her... it's from the 2004-2005 era, she is absolutely gorgeous and the interviewee says she looks like a 30-year-old woman at 60.
Diana does not give much details, but she let it be known that it was virtually impossible for her to secure a record deal or record new music several times.
I know that the record industry is very complex and there are many types of deals, but I still find odd that she had Clive Davis offering her different possibilities of a big contract when he was still a major player in the game (mid-00's) and Diana complaining that nobody wanted her at the same time (2004-2005). Something just does not make sense.
Maybe Diana's negociations with Clive happened after those interviews, but I still find strange her complaining when, in reality, she had the choice if she really wanted to...
Something just don't click.
If only someone could find the (video) interview when she mentions Clive and the total lack of interest of the record industry in her... it's from the 2004-2005 era, she is absolutely gorgeous and the interviewee says she looks like a 30-year-old woman at 60.
I remember all of those interviews very well and they will be presenting themselves in the near future.
I am not aware of contract negotiations in the entertainment industry that do not have a non- disclosure clause. I have also never heard of a major artist giving authority to an anonymous individual to divulge protected, confidential, and privileged information in a public forum, particularly with it attached to names of artists who are still major players in the industry. The consequences of even slight betrayals of trust are usually very severe in the entertainment industry. This is very bizarre and highly unusual. I have never encountered this before. The information that is being provided also directly contradicts what is extensively on the public record.
I am not aware of contract negotiations in the entertainment industry that do not have a non- disclosure clause. I have also never heard of a major artist giving authority to an anonymous individual to divulge protected, confidential, and privileged information in a public forum, particularly with it attached to names of artists who are still major players in the industry. The consequences of even slight betrayals of trust are usually very severe in the entertainment industry. This is very bizarre and highly unusual. I have never encountered this before. The information that is being provided also directly contradicts what is extensively on the public record.