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Post by hector on Apr 19, 2017 0:25:56 GMT
The market is sadly declining, but the options have expanded from previous years. One no longer has to publish books through top publishing firms and put money into mass marketing for maximum profit. If the two of these women were ever inclined to follow through on my suggestion, they could put this together while self publishing and offer it to the diehards via the internet, as well as their shows. I'll be honest, I'd prefer the book collab more than a musical reunion. I actually think Mary has a better chance today of being relevant without Diana. Remember in the 80s Diana Ross was a huge superstar who was "relevant" to the general public. At the time of Mary's first book, her recent activity was pissing Motown off at Motown 25, and before that she was booted out of Motown label, and before that she dropped a flop album and single, and before that she endured 4-5 B group status years with the Supremes. No matter what Mary did she was always going to dance in Diana Ross' shadow. But today Mary has accomplished so much even outside of music and she's still an in demand performer, 58 years in the business. Diana Ross will always carry some relevance to the general public because she's a legend all on her own, but her name doesn't ring out like it did in the 80s, and thus Mary doesn't twirl around in her shadow as much. If anything as long as Mary can attach her name to the Supremes she'll always be interesting. As for what Luke had to say, I don't really understand that comment so he'd have to explain it. When I think of someone blowing someone off, I just don't know of anything that has happened in forever where I would categorize Diana's actions that way. I think at the end of the day she just don't f*** with Mary like that, and that's her right. I would just like a Supreme moment for the two of them while there's still time. Bad information, fake news or whatever you want to call it here. Mary Wilson did not piss "Motown" off at Motown 25. The only people that were pissed off by here was that bitch Suzanne DePasse and that other, bigger bitch Diana Ross! Everyone was happy to see Mary especially the Gordys!
P.S. Mary Wilson does not need Diana Ross for anything.
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Post by I AM A MORON on Apr 19, 2017 1:12:17 GMT
There is a great book that documents Ross' loyal tribe that follows her around from show to show. They plan vacation, sick, and personal time around her shows. A concert by Ross is also a family reunion event because they have been together for decades helping each other with the coming out process, deaths and other life issues. I think it is great that the tribe is in NYC for five days, planning a vacation in NYC, and seeing MISS ROSS every night. How many artists at 73 have about 2,000 loyal fans who will come to see their show for 5 days and sell her out? That is loyalty!
Where to next gang?
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Post by peacenharmony on Apr 19, 2017 1:15:34 GMT
Interesting recommendation, Ms. Roberta, and thanks!
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Post by jobeterob on Apr 19, 2017 1:31:55 GMT
The market is sadly declining, but the options have expanded from previous years. One no longer has to publish books through top publishing firms and put money into mass marketing for maximum profit. If the two of these women were ever inclined to follow through on my suggestion, they could put this together while self publishing and offer it to the diehards via the internet, as well as their shows. I'll be honest, I'd prefer the book collab more than a musical reunion. I actually think Mary has a better chance today of being relevant without Diana. Remember in the 80s Diana Ross was a huge superstar who was "relevant" to the general public. At the time of Mary's first book, her recent activity was pissing Motown off at Motown 25, and before that she was booted out of Motown label, and before that she dropped a flop album and single, and before that she endured 4-5 B group status years with the Supremes. No matter what Mary did she was always going to dance in Diana Ross' shadow. But today Mary has accomplished so much even outside of music and she's still an in demand performer, 58 years in the business. Diana Ross will always carry some relevance to the general public because she's a legend all on her own, but her name doesn't ring out like it did in the 80s, and thus Mary doesn't twirl around in her shadow as much. If anything as long as Mary can attach her name to the Supremes she'll always be interesting. As for what Luke had to say, I don't really understand that comment so he'd have to explain it. When I think of someone blowing someone off, I just don't know of anything that has happened in forever where I would categorize Diana's actions that way. I think at the end of the day she just don't f*** with Mary like that, and that's her right. I would just like a Supreme moment for the two of them while there's still time. Bad information, fake news or whatever you want to call it here. Mary Wilson did not piss "Motown" off at Motown 25. The only people that were pissed off by here was that bitch Suzanne DePasse and that other, bigger bitch Diana Ross! Everyone was happy to see Mary especially the Gordys!
P.S. Mary Wilson does not need Diana Ross for anything. Anyone who needs to put up or shut up it is you. Diana Ross is sold out for 12,000 fans in NYC for five nights. SHE IS REDD HOTT!
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Post by jobeterob on Apr 19, 2017 1:32:11 GMT
When Mickey Stevenson wrote his book, he said that if you want the facts, read Secrets of a Sparrow and if you want celebrity gossip, read Mary's books.
I think what would be good is a book by Diana wrapping up the whole career - staying away from celebrity gossip - but frankly talking about the career, the challenges, the highs, the lows, the excitement, the racism, the sexism, the adulation.
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Post by Sammy7819 on Apr 19, 2017 1:52:16 GMT
Hector, Think Again miss woman. IF it wasn't for DIANA ROSS you wouldn't even know this window dressing OLD HO mary wilson. The old BITCH ONLY DANCED AND SMILE IN THE BACKGROUND, she road on the coat tails of DIANA ROSS'S TALENT AND CHARISMA!! Diana Ross took mary's TALENTLESS whoreish, nasty ASS ON THE RIDE OF A LIFETIME. When Diana left the group you'd think miss mary would take over the lead BUT "NOOOOOOOOOO" Berry Gordy still had to find someone (Jean Terrell) to sing so mary would have someone to Dance Behind. We've all heard mary's so called singing. LOL. Thats why she had 25 customers one night at the Colony club a week back in Palm Beach and only 5 of them paid. That's what happen when you let a Dope snorting Whore and her strung out illegal day laborer husband try to make a handclapper in a group thats been dead since 1969 a star. LOL. Yes miss mary and pedro the Puerto Rican pimp, dug the grave and Berry just push the supremes in it and cover them up. mary wilson was/ is wart on the ass of the supremes legacy. Now Hector/DetroitLIES313/Marv, put on some men's pants and a nice shirt, take off that wig and get your nelly lying ass out of Diana's business.
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Post by ranran on Apr 19, 2017 2:00:46 GMT
Mary's books were marketed for the celebrity gossip crowd (which is half of America) but with all due respect to Mr. Stevenson, they were Mary's recollections from her perspective regarding the past and they can't be any more discounted or validated than his own book or Diana's book.
The book I would actually love to read is a collaboration between Diana and Mary. I mentioned in another thread that I get tired of the same old stories about the Supremes. There has to be tons of little anecdotes and facts that we fans don't know about because most of what we get are the same five stories pulled out of Diana and Mary by interviewers who aren't usually interviewing them for the die hard crowd. Because I am a family historian I know that with older people you can conduct interviews with them regarding their memories and get a lot of great stuff, but there's this terrific dynamic that happens when two or more are in the same room and one says something happened one way while another says they don't remember it that way before launching into their version, and then many times something comes up and one says "Oh I forgot about that!".
I say they should put the memories in a book along with photos from their personal collections. Maybe even insert memories from various people. I love history so I'm fascinated by the Supremes early years in particular. I want to know about performances, recording sessions, tour shenanigans, etc. With Florence gone that history is solely in the Ross and Wilson libraries. When they're gone, that's it.
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Post by Sammy7819 on Apr 19, 2017 2:18:53 GMT
Mary's books were marketed for the celebrity gossip crowd (which is half of America) but with all due respect to Mr. Stevenson, they were Mary's recollections from her perspective regarding the past and they can't be any more discounted or validated than his own book or Diana's book. The book I would actually love to read is a collaboration between Diana and Mary. I mentioned in another thread that I get tired of the same old stories about the Supremes. There has to be tons of little anecdotes and facts that we fans don't know about because most of what we get are the same five stories pulled out of Diana and Mary by interviewers who aren't usually interviewing them for the die hard crowd. Because I am a family historian I know that with older people you can conduct interviews with them regarding their memories and get a lot of great stuff, but there's this terrific dynamic that happens when two or more are in the same room and one says something happened one way while another says they don't remember it that way before launching into their version, and then many times something comes up and one says "Oh I forgot about that!". I say they should put the memories in a book along with photos from their personal collections. Maybe even insert memories from various people. I love history so I'm fascinated by the Supremes early years in particular. I want to know about performances, recording sessions, tour shenanigans, etc. With Florence gone that history is solely in the Ross and Wilson libraries. When they're gone, that's it. Diana Ross ain't interested in collaborating with Motown Matress mary wilson. aunt mary wilson was and is EVERYBODYS TALENTLESS WHORE. mary Literally raised her dress and bend over for anybody and it still didn't do her any good. You can't put talent where there isn't any. mary wilson known for playing hide the sausage, not her singing, if you wanna call that singing. Minnie Wilkins was the HO of Motown and Diana Ross, Berry Gordy, Smokey and Suzanne de Passé wouldn't piss on aunt mary if flames were shooting out of her old whoreish ass.
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Post by ranran on Apr 19, 2017 2:29:40 GMT
the lows, the excitement, the racism, the sexism, the adulation. Mary's books were marketed for the celebrity gossip crowd (which is half of America) but with all due respect to Mr. Stevenson, they were Mary's recollections from her perspective regarding the past and they can't be any more discounted or validated than his own book or Diana's book.
The book I would actually love to read is a collaboration between Diana and Mary. I mentioned in another thread that I get tired of the same old stories about the Supremes. There has to be tons of little anecdotes and facts that we fans don't know about because most of what we get are the same five stories pulled out of Diana and Mary by interviewers who aren't usually interviewing them for the die hard crowd. Because I am a family historian I know that with older people you can conduct interviews with them regarding their memories and get a lot of great stuff, but there's this terrific dynamic that happens when two or more are in the same room and one says something happened one way while another says they don't remember it that way before launching into their version, and then many times something comes up and one says "Oh I forgot about that!".
I say they should put the memories in a book along with photos from their personal collections. Maybe even insert memories from various people. I love history so I'm fascinated by the Supremes early years in particular. I want to know about performances, recording sessions, tour shenanigans, etc. With Florence gone that history is solely in the Ross and Wilson libraries. When they're gone, that's it.
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Post by I AM A MORON on Apr 19, 2017 2:33:05 GMT
There are over 50 books about the Supremes, Ross, and , the Motown Saga on the market. Some are more reputable than others, some are considered gossip or reputable, but they ALL tell essentially the same story with the exception of Ross' self penned tome, Tom A.'s books and maybe a few others. Tom A.' books are independently published and each sold less than 2,000 copies. They are directed to a niche audience and I suggest they are to be avoided at all costs unless you are a die had fan. A good objective, and realistic book by a fan is Diana's Dogs.
Diana's book has the distinction of becoming an unintended camp classic along wit Joan Crawford's memoir for obvious reasons.
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Post by roberta75 on Apr 19, 2017 3:29:24 GMT
I dont know where you got your sales figures from but there real off. Toms The Diva and her Tribe sold at least 10,000 copies and A Lifetime to Get here sold double that. Id make a guess that youve never read them.
Roberta
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Post by I AM A MORON on Apr 19, 2017 3:30:35 GMT
I don't know where you get YOUR sales figures from, DEAR, but they are way off. I have read both books and I own them. Don't make a move too soon DEAREST.
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Post by mpn1jco on Apr 19, 2017 4:22:25 GMT
I dont know where you got your sales figures from but there real off. Toms The Diva and her Tribe sold at least 10,000 copies and A Lifetime to Get here sold double that. Id make a guess that youve never read them.
Roberta This is the type of lie that Roberta75 regularly tells: Every author keeps their sales data secret because of an “embarrassing” reason.
Most authors simply don’t sell many books. People have it in their heads that their book is going to sell millions of copies. This is due to narcissism.
There are millions of book released each year. In our narcissistic world, we believe our books are special. Well it is special – to you. No one else cares, though, except for maybe your friends and family.
When they do a launch, they might sell a few hundred copies and feel like a failure. This is a negative mindset. If you sell a few hundred copies, you’ve done what you should have done. You’ve succeeded.
(Depressing? Well that’s the reality of publishing.)
If you sell 1,000 copies of a book you have done well. If you thought you’d sell 100,00 books, you feel like a failure.
Reality check: Fewer than 100 books published in a given year will ever sell 100,000 copies.
After selling 1,000 copies of a book, write another book. When people find that new book, they’ll buy your old books.
As Sean Platt says, “Write. Publish. Repeat.”
If you don’t feel a burning desire inside your soul to write books, then publishing isn’t a good fit for you.
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Post by peacenharmony on Apr 19, 2017 9:12:01 GMT
I was a DMC fan during their reign but at this point in time I'd have no interest in such a project. We know what Wilson thinks; she's told versions of the same stories for decades. You are absolutely correct about the contemporary Diana, and I add a point that I always think of, which is that Diana and Wilson worked together for a time nearly 50 years ago - does everyone need to stay in contact with co-workers from 50 years ago? On to Diana's latest sell-out smash! Hope you are able to attend!
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Post by peacenharmony on Apr 19, 2017 9:12:11 GMT
Hey Ms. Roberta - gotcha' back, lady! I'll never understand why the moderator here allows these 'fans to pollute the forum ...
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