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Post by ranran on Jun 4, 2017 16:55:23 GMT
I hesitate to start this thread because some of you don't know how to discuss with maturity, but I'm going to take a chance and hope for the best.
it is mentioned that Marvin Gaye wanted to produce something for Mary Wilson:
Marvin Gaye was to produce Mary Wilson that same year but it never materialized due to Marvin being swamped with his own recording work. I wanted to pose the question in the thread but thought it was too off topic from Dennis. Do you all think this Marvin/Mary collab could have worked? I'm on the fence. I almost feel like anything would have been better than the abysmal debut album the label put out on Mary. But some of Marvin's late 70s work was kind of out there. Would he have tried to give Mary such a progressive sound or would he have tailored the songs to her talent? Marvin was such a classic balladeer and Mary was so great at ballads that I would like to think the match could have been heaven made. This is one of those scenarios that if done well it could have been classic, but if done wrong it could have been some of the worst music to come out of the label at the time. What do you all think?
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Post by chainreaction on Jun 4, 2017 17:32:32 GMT
Darling as a little girl of Soulful Detroit I don't think you should be addressing maturity honeybunch. Were you in pink panties when you wrote this?
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Post by Sammy7819 on Jun 4, 2017 19:33:18 GMT
Marvin told aunt mary he'd produce her when they were both sucking on the same crack pipe in London when mary ferrer was there with her fake assed Supremes. The old high Ho believed Marvin and ran to the press with it. Marvin had no more desire to produce Moisty Walliams than he had the notion to sharea pair of panties with that old murdering sissy father of his. Miriam Watkins had been trying to get Marvin Gage to fuck her since the mid 1960's but Marvin wasn't remotely interested in entering that old used up stretched snatch. The only thing Margie got to suck on was Marvin's crack pipe. Those prissy assed sissy bitches of Soulful Detroit led by the old gray Ralph and his ass kissing BITCH Lady BOY Hector, need to wake the fuck up.
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Post by NawlinsMotownMan on Jun 4, 2017 19:55:10 GMT
There was NEVER going to be a Marvin Gaye produced lp on Mary Wilson.
First of all, Gordy wanted Mary and Pedro out of Motown. She had been a thorn in his side for too long. If Gaye had shown any interest in doing such an lp, which he didn't, BG would never have released it.
When Mary made this announcement on Mike Douglas, Gaye went straight to her home but she had already left on her last tour with Scherrie and Susaye. He made it known to Mary's secretary that he was not happy about this. Mary and Pedro did present the idea to him, he listened and was polite (he was always a gentleman) but he never agreed to this.
In 1977 Marvin Gaye was on another peak with Got To Give It Up. After this however he sunk into an abyss of financial destruction and substance abuse and virtually disappeared from the music scene for years. Motown released a couple singles that did nothing and then an lp that Gaye said was unfinished. By 1980 he was through with Motown.
If Gaye would have done a solo lp on anybody it would have been on Ross, because she had sales power that Mary just didn't have. But he never would have done a Ross lp either.
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Post by Sammy7819 on Jun 5, 2017 1:56:03 GMT
I knew it. I just knew it. aunt mary is a broke, lying, whoreish, backstabbing old BITCH who wouldn't know the truth if it hit her on her coke fried head. Marjorie Wilkins has lied about John "jellybean" Benitez, Marvin Gaye, Berry Gordy, former signing partners Sherrie, Jean, Cindy, Lynda, Diana and even Florence who she not only lied about, but stabbed in the back. Since Flo's passing old Myrna has wept crocodile tears for over for 40 years before wailing I Am Changing, in that horrible mannish voice, at every seedy gig she gets. aunt Miriam has given free pussy to thousands of men in return for coke and has never had a hit single or a prestigious tour since her handclapping days behind Diana Ross. Moisty Walliams would perform for Jeff Sessions if he offered her a grand. The old Ho even tours with known sex offender Bill Wyman. aunt mary has NO shame and NOT an ounce of self respect. A disgusting trashy, ghetto, classless, old PROJECT HO is all mary wilson is, was, and always will be.
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Post by bluerock on Jun 5, 2017 14:42:07 GMT
It would have been interesting for sure and as you say anything , but anything would have been an improvement on that dreadful album that Motown forced Mary to record. I am not at all convinced that Mary had a great solo album in her at this stage. In my opinion her voice lacked that special something that a successful solo career needed. I am not trying to start ww3 here but i don't think she was ready for a solo career at this stage. I know Mary has often mentioned this possibility but are there any archive interviews with Marvin regarding this possible pairing? It would have been interesting to have heard his views on it.
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Post by LA Drunmer on Jun 5, 2017 16:58:09 GMT
It would have been interesting for sure and as you say anything , but anything would have been an improvement on that dreadful album that Motown forced Mary to record. I am not at all convinced that Mary had a great solo album in her at this stage. In my opinion her voice lacked that special something that a successful solo career needed. I am not trying to start ww3 here but i don't think she was ready for a solo career at this stage. I know Mary has often mentioned this possibility but are there any archive interviews with Marvin regarding this possible pairing? It would have been interesting to have heard his views on it. Better yet, are there archives of all your alleged interviews. Or are they locked in a vault?
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Post by hector on Jun 5, 2017 18:31:34 GMT
It would have been interesting for sure and as you say anything , but anything would have been an improvement on that dreadful album that Motown forced Mary to record. I am not at all convinced that Mary had a great solo album in her at this stage. In my opinion her voice lacked that special something that a successful solo career needed. I am not trying to start ww3 here but i don't think she was ready for a solo career at this stage. I know Mary has often mentioned this possibility but are there any archive interviews with Marvin regarding this possible pairing? It would have been interesting to have heard his views on it. Better yet, are there archives of all your alleged interviews. Or are they locked in a vault? They are locked in his mind where they never happened........
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Post by Circa1824 on Jun 5, 2017 20:23:50 GMT
I too find it impossible to believe that Marvin Gaye was ever considered to produce and LP for Ms. Wilsen. The idea is laughable.
I did buy Red Hot. I still am trying to get my money back.
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Post by bluerock on Jun 5, 2017 20:27:07 GMT
I think if Mary was ever going to have a chance of having solo success it would have come shortly after the publication of "dreamgirls". Much as i detest that tawdry excuse for a memoir it did put Mary in a good bargaining position. No record company has shown any great interest in releasing product on her before or since then. She should have pushed for a record deal at this time rather than basking in the glory of being a wealthy woman for a while. I totally agree with you that Mary sounded good on a well produced ballad but fell way short on the uptempo stuff. I still maintain she did not have it in her to be a successful solo artist but everyone is entitled to their opinion, and it is great fun to debate, but there is no way on earth she could have successfully competed with the formidable ladies you mention,or the likes of Phyllis Hyman and Patti Austin.
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Post by hector on Jun 6, 2017 1:54:58 GMT
I think if Mary was ever going to have a chance of having solo success it would have come shortly after the publication of "dreamgirls". Much as i detest that tawdry excuse for a memoir it did put Mary in a good bargaining position. No record company has shown any great interest in releasing product on her before or since then. She should have pushed for a record deal at this time rather than basking in the glory of being a wealthy woman for a while. I totally agree with you that Mary sounded good on a well produced ballad but fell way short on the uptempo stuff. I still maintain she did not have it in her to be a successful solo artist but everyone is entitled to their opinion, and it is great fun to debate, but there is no way on earth she could have successfully competed with the formidable ladies you mention,or the likes of Phyllis Hyman and Patti Austin. Now you know you have no credibility anymore. No one values your disgusting opinions from I've read..............LOL!!!!
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Post by jobeterob on Jun 6, 2017 5:38:13 GMT
I think if Mary was ever going to have a chance of having solo success it would have come shortly after the publication of "dreamgirls". Much as i detest that tawdry excuse for a memoir it did put Mary in a good bargaining position. No record company has shown any great interest in releasing product on her before or since then. She should have pushed for a record deal at this time rather than basking in the glory of being a wealthy woman for a while. I totally agree with you that Mary sounded good on a well produced ballad but fell way short on the uptempo stuff. I still maintain she did not have it in her to be a successful solo artist but everyone is entitled to their opinion, and it is great fun to debate, but there is no way on earth she could have successfully competed with the formidable ladies you mention,or the likes of Phyllis Hyman and Patti Austin. Now you know you have no credibility anymore. No one values your disgusting opinions from I've read..............LOL!!!!his connections are much stronger than yours and you're jealous Mary's voice on the songs she sang lead on were a nice offset from Jean and Diana but the voice is pedestrian and not commercial-so she had no hits
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Post by mpn1jco on Jun 6, 2017 6:56:17 GMT
. I think if Mary was ever going to have a chance of having solo success it would have come shortly after the publication of "dreamgirls". Much as i detest that tawdry excuse for a memoir it did put Mary in a good bargaining position. No record company has shown any great interest in releasing product on her before or since then. She should have pushed for a record deal at this time rather than basking in the glory of being a wealthy woman for a while. I totally agree with you that Mary sounded good on a well produced ballad but fell way short on the uptempo stuff. I still maintain she did not have it in her to be a successful solo artist but everyone is entitled to their opinion, and it is great fun to debate, but there is no way on earth she could have successfully competed with the formidable ladies you mention,or the likes of Phyllis Hyman and Patti Austin. Now you know you have no credibility anymore. No one values your disgusting opinions from I've read..............LOL!!!!
A lot of his invaluable contributions are bullshit. Workin Overtime for example. He claims that Ross hated that album. Ross said in an interview a few years after that release when she was confronted about its failure. She charged back, " I liked that album!". There was no reason for Ross to defend the album at the point, its commercial campaign was over. He said she wanted to remix the album and the label rushed it out. The reality, from my sources, is that many, many people at the label wanted her to scrap the project but no one could talk her out of it. To her credit, Workin OVertime made it to number 3 on the R&B/Black singles chart , and the Blaze remix of Workin OVertime and the Shep Pettibone remix of Paradise were big in the clubs. However, the album was a flop, selling less than 160,000 copies worldwide. Not so great when Whitney Houston and Madonna had recent releases that moved 20 million worldwide.
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Post by honestman on Jun 6, 2017 14:24:50 GMT
Mary Wilson is a LIAR,And known for it read her 2 trash rag books,then again she may have been on her Cocaine trips when she thought this happened,Marvin had recorded the excellent Diana and Marvin LP a few years before could not improve on perfection.,i'm sure he would not go back in the studio with a former background singer after he had duetted with the Queen of Motown,just a thought,cheers.
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Post by Sammy7819 on Jun 6, 2017 19:02:55 GMT
Mary Wilson is a LIAR,And known for it read her 2 trash rag books,then again she may have been on her Cocaine trips when she thought this happened,Marvin had recorded the excellent Diana and Marvin LP a few years before could not improve on perfection.,i'm sure he would not go back in the studio with a former background singer after he had duetted with the Queen of Motown,just a thought,cheers. A lyin trashy, bitter old broke HO who is delusional. The only thing Mavin Gaye ever gave aunt mary was a crack pipe to suck on and cab fare to get her whoreish old ass out of his hotel suite. Moisty Walliams tried to bed Marvin for damned near 2 decades but he wasn't going anywhere near her nasty, stretched out Kitty Cat where thousands of others had been.
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