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Post by roberta75 on May 17, 2017 23:48:08 GMT
Hi Bluebrock, it's so good to have you back! Yes, I know, but I thought she didn't want to be attached to a contract and be obliged to travel extensively. I didn't know she wasn't keen to do some shows or a short tour eventually in Europe (without an album to promote), taking into consideration that possibly her biggest market is the U.K., not only in terms of record sales, but also in terms of ticket sales. She already did short tours in EU without a new product to promote a.k.a the 2004 "This is it" shows. Whatever, seeing the recent NY footage, Diana seems so reinvigorated, with a beautiful figure and strong voice, that it crossed my mind why she don't visit some EU countries more often. By the way, I understand your point, Diana just don't want to do all the "travelling work" anymore. She has had grandchildren since then and actually likes being a hands on grandmother just as she was a hands on mother. Also due to her age she tires more easily. I never thought about the possibility of a residency in the UK. She acknowledges the UK is indeed her most successful market but she seems happy enough to just tour domestically and be near her family. Thank you for the kind words. Truly appreciated. Much respect. Nice to have you back omn the forum, my dear friend. Yours, with every good wish. Roberta xxx
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Post by bluerock on May 17, 2017 23:49:36 GMT
It's easy to think she doesn't want to tour in Europe anymore but... She did a private show in Paris two years ago, she performed for Naomi Campbell in Asia, she performed two shows at the large Budokan in Japan. What's the difference for her, between traveling for a private show or for a tour? For a tour you need a promoter to take charge of the booking and all the expenses. It's more reasonable to think that she is not in demands or that the offers are to low for her Private shows are very lucrative and usually only entail being away for a couple of days making it far more appealing, and as you rightly point out there are far fewer overheads. She did do a private show in London very recently, and also one last year but they were kept "private".
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Post by bluerock on May 17, 2017 23:50:09 GMT
She has had grandchildren since then and actually likes being a hands on grandmother just as she was a hands on mother. Also due to her age she tires more easily. I never thought about the possibility of a residency in the UK. She acknowledges the UK is indeed her most successful market but she seems happy enough to just tour domestically and be near her family. Thank you for the kind words. Truly appreciated. Much respect. Nice to have you back omn the forum, my dear friend. Yours, with every good wish. Roberta xxx Thank you Roberta for all your support recently. Much love xx
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Post by roberta75 on May 17, 2017 23:50:53 GMT
Nice to have you back omn the forum, my dear friend. Yours, with every good wish. Roberta xxx Thank you Roberta for all your support recently. Much love xx My pleasure dear. xxxx
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Post by circa1824 on May 18, 2017 0:28:56 GMT
If Ross would hire a first-class promoter, she could play bigger and more prestigious venues. Currently, I think she spends little or no money on ads, etc. In her hey-day, she would run full-page ads in the New York Times and other publications. Now, she might only do one press telephone nterview leading up to a concert if ticket sales are sluggish.
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Post by davidhh on May 18, 2017 0:29:49 GMT
does she need ads? she seems to be selling out everywhere. Bluebrock, you were missed and . yes, welcome back
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Post by hector on May 18, 2017 4:35:33 GMT
does she need ads? she seems to be selling out everywhere. Bluebrock, you were missed and . yes, welcome back I think you need to go read the last page, page #116 of the Berry Gordy Created A Monster thread. Diana Ross is not selling out everywhere and she could not possibly be making $150,000 per concert when several of her concerts don't even gross $125,000 and some even gross below that amount.
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Post by hector on May 18, 2017 4:38:02 GMT
I don't know either, but the fact that the lady is booked constantly certainly defines Ms. Ross as a legacy artist with timeless appeal. Diana has entered the living legend phase of her career, like Ella - Lena - Peggy etc before her, and well deserves it. That is a nice, generous way of putting it, but Diana Ross is a touring Oldies Act that is on the road weekly somewhere. Living Legends don't work like that or in the types of places she's now forced to play.
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Post by bluerock on May 19, 2017 0:00:00 GMT
does she need ads? she seems to be selling out everywhere. Bluebrock, you were missed and . yes, welcome back Thank you David, and no she doesn't need ads. Her shows these days are put together on a virtual shoestring budget, and Diana makes more money as a result.
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Post by jobeterob on May 19, 2017 0:01:09 GMT
does she need ads? she seems to be selling out everywhere. Bluebrock, you were missed and . yes, welcome back Thank you David, and no she doesn't need ads. Her shows these days are put together on a virtual shoestring budget, and Diana makes more money as a result. Heavens! Now that'll be upsetting news to at least one. But nice to hear. And the concerts certainly draw a crowd.
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Post by peacenharmony on May 19, 2017 0:02:21 GMT
Thank you David, and no she doesn't need ads. Her shows these days are put together on a virtual shoestring budget, and Diana makes more money as a result. Heavens! Now that'll be upsetting news to at least one. But nice to hear. And the concerts certainly draw a crowd. J-Rob, you made me snort-and-spray a perfectly good mouthful of cheaxxx inexpensive, chilled white wine!
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Post by hector on May 19, 2017 0:59:35 GMT
does she need ads? she seems to be selling out everywhere. Bluebrock, you were missed and . yes, welcome back Thank you David, and no she doesn't need ads. Her shows these days are put together on a virtual shoestring budget, and Diana makes more money as a result. She doesn't need ads because it is the same people going to her shows over and over! ZOMBIES! LOL! There are very few first timers that would be interested, so why waste time and money letting the public know that she will be in concert? Diane's not making much money these days which is a shame. It is also the reason why she is doing so many concerts trying to break even. Sad.
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Post by mpn1jco on May 19, 2017 9:57:12 GMT
does she need ads? she seems to be selling out everywhere. Bluebrock, you were missed and . yes, welcome back Thank you David, and no she doesn't need ads. Her shows these days are put together on a virtual shoestring budget, and Diana makes more money as a result. All oldies act work on a shoestring budget and do not advertise their shows. You are stating the obvious. Is this something you discussed with Miss Ross?
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Post by TheMotownManiac on May 19, 2017 10:24:13 GMT
Diana Ross is a unique tour book in that she generally requires no advertising or promotion. She always uses a promoter who, if they see the need, will advertise. Diana Ross has never run an ad or commercial for her shows - all of that is done by the promoter if they want to pay for it.
This is how it's worked: CAA sends out a blast that "Diana Ross will be available here___________ during this time span__________." They include her standard rider and minimums, then get offers from promoters all over the area involved for a specific amount, guarantee and venue of their choosing. In the initial email blast, she may sometimes include her druthers for a specific venue, but not often. She then chooses her itinerary based on the deals she is offered, informs CAA and let's them handle the legalities and any negotiations she may require or attempt. Her standard deal is a guarantee - generally 135k and up (depending on venue size & locale) plus 85% of the net after that amount. On rare occasions, to fill in an empty date or for personal reasons, accept a lower guarantee. The promoter signs the contract, sends half of the guarantee to CAA as a deposit, and goes to work selling the show. Just before showtime, Miss Ross is personally presented with the balance due including the percentage. Occasionally, should there be a discrepancy, it will be handled afterwards. She generally requires certified checks at the venues, but, knowing the hassle it is for the promoter after banking hours, will accept a personal check once a firm, trusting relationship is established. This is rare. Aretha and sometimes Patti require cash, and Aretha has been known to demand additional funds at the last minute or will not go on.
Casinos often just offer a flat rate based on their personal experience with the artist and casino business is strictly monitored on show nights. Artists that bring in $$$ at the tables, are brought back as often as possible regardless of box office take.
The following is hearsay, but from a generally reliable source: She does not tour Europe, I am told, because during talks for summer 2010 tour, the promoter said something(s) heinous to Miss Ross about MJ shortly after his passing and she evaporated him - and, I am told, once that happens, you never get a second chance with her. Perhaps Bluerock knows more about this. I worked for two promoters when I was at Illinois State and maintained those contacts but I have no real, verifiable, major insight about Europe.
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Post by hector on May 19, 2017 15:38:43 GMT
Thank you David, and no she doesn't need ads. Her shows these days are put together on a virtual shoestring budget, and Diana makes more money as a result. All oldies act work on a shoestring budget and do not advertise their shows. You are stating the obvious. Is this something you discussed with Miss Ross? That's true. The Diana Ross Show is now more along the lines of a Carnival act that use to travel from town to town. They'd pitch their tent and collect as much money as they could from the local gawkers. She does even have a manager now! No money to hire professional people.
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