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Post by Nitro2015 on May 16, 2017 22:27:56 GMT
I was wondering what would be more or less the value that Diana Ross earns when performing each show of a tour?
In fact, I always think about this issue for any artist, because I do not know how the promoters can generate profit from a tour since the expenses to perform the show are usually exorbitant (especially in the case of giant tours like U2 and Madonna, for example).
And, in Diana's case, I wonder why she has not toured Europe for so long. She is so huge there and could easily sell out arenas or, at least, large theaters.
I know she's not keen to travel overseas that often, but she doesn't go there to perform almost ten years.
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Post by peacenharmony on May 16, 2017 22:29:00 GMT
I don't know either, but the fact that the lady is booked constantly certainly defines Ms. Ross as a legacy artist with timeless appeal. Diana has entered the living legend phase of her career, like Ella - Lena - Peggy etc before her, and well deserves it.
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Post by Nitro2015 on May 16, 2017 22:34:27 GMT
Yes, but I'd risk to say she is more than a legacy artist, because she is still a current successful touring artist, even after 50 years of career.
Her shows in U.S. does quite good business, of course they are not the same numbers she did in her 30's, 40's or 50's, but they are still good numbers for an artist of 73.
Searching boxscore statuses in Billboard for her shows, I think she must receive something between $50k to $150k per/performance.
But I don't really have a clue if it's really that.
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Post by jobeterob on May 16, 2017 22:35:27 GMT
A few years back when she did about 30 dates, her tour was in the top 100 of the year grossing about $10 Million - I believe. But that the just the tour dates - nothing private.
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Post by Guy on May 17, 2017 7:33:27 GMT
Does Ross even use a promoter? She has such low overhead. I think she just leases the venue and hires PR for the show. She gets the entire box office. If so, her personal net take would always be north of $150k per show.
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Post by bluerock on May 17, 2017 7:35:11 GMT
She is not keen on the travelling anymore so a UK and European tour is perhaps unlikely without a new album to promote, and of course she will not get a new contract until she agrees to promote it overseas. We are going around in circles here.
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Post by mpn1jco on May 17, 2017 8:30:43 GMT
She is not keen on the travelling anymore so a UK and European tour is perhaps unlikely without a new album to promote, and of course she will not get a new contract until she agrees to promote it overseas. We are going around in circles here. Diana Ross is travelling non-stop on the oldies circuit, doing more one nighters than she did with the Motortown Revue. Ross has no offers to get a recording contract because she has an extensive history of releasing albums that did not sell. Clive Davis put an album out on Aretha Franklin a couple of years ago and she did not promote it overseas because she doesn't fly. If Clive Davis wanted to sign Ross, travelling overseas is not an obstacle.
Ross doesn't have a recording contract because no one wants her, a fact she readily discussed back in 2005. Ross was able to get a one album deal with UK EMI ANGEL for I Love You. They are not interested in recording another album with her.
Bluebrock it is better to let someone think you are an idiot than to continue to open your mouth and prove it.
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Post by hector on May 17, 2017 16:01:35 GMT
How can Diana Ross possibly earn $150,000 per show when her shows don't always even have a total gross of $ 150,000/ I wished I could find that Concert Tour data that was posted here a while back.
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Post by LA Drummer on May 17, 2017 18:26:21 GMT
How can Diana Ross possibly earn $150,000 per show when her shows don't always even have a total gross of $ 150,000/ I wished I could find that Concert Tour data that was posted here a while back. . Assuming 2000 sold tix x $100 = $200,000. Less insurances, venue rental, musicians, travel, hotels food etc. $150,000 seems to be a stretch.
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Post by peacenharmony on May 17, 2017 23:16:28 GMT
She is not keen on the travelling anymore so a UK and European tour is perhaps unlikely without a new album to promote, and of course she will not get a new contract until she agrees to promote it overseas. We are going around in circles here. Complete conjecture here, following up your remark about travel, but it seems that many legacy artists are hesitant to put up with the security delays and mosh-pit conditions that are modren' air travel. My guess is that those who are more in need of the $ are more apt to put up with the inconveniences out of necessity. And as we know there's the family, who Diana is devoted to. PERHAPS a mini-residency in London or Paris with family in adjoining hotel rooms would be acceptable (that's more conjecture!) but unfortunately for the millions of European fans I just don't see a grueling town-to-town tour happening again. Did you discuss anything of the sort in your interview(s)?
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Post by Albator on May 17, 2017 23:17:36 GMT
It's easy to think she doesn't want to tour in Europe anymore but... She did a private show in Paris two years ago, she performed for Naomi Campbell in Asia, she performed two shows at the large Budokan in Japan. What's the difference for her, between traveling for a private show or for a tour? For a tour you need a promoter to take charge of the booking and all the expenses. It's more reasonable to think that she is not in demands or that the offers are to low for her
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Post by Nitro2015 on May 17, 2017 23:27:10 GMT
She is not keen on the travelling anymore so a UK and European tour is perhaps unlikely without a new album to promote, and of course she will not get a new contract until she agrees to promote it overseas. We are going around in circles here. Hi Bluebrock, it's so good to have you back! Yes, I know, but I thought she didn't want to be attached to a contract and be obliged to travel extensively. I didn't know she wasn't keen to do some shows or a short tour eventually in Europe (without an album to promote), taking into consideration that possibly her biggest market is the U.K., not only in terms of record sales, but also in terms of ticket sales. She already did short tours in EU without a new product to promote a.k.a the 2004 "This is it" shows. Whatever, seeing the recent NY footage, Diana seems so reinvigorated, with a beautiful figure and strong voice, that it crossed my mind why she don't visit some EU countries more often. By the way, I understand your point, Diana just don't want to do all the "travelling work" anymore.
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Post by thanxal on May 17, 2017 23:28:06 GMT
She is not keen on the travelling anymore so a UK and European tour is perhaps unlikely without a new album to promote, and of course she will not get a new contract until she agrees to promote it overseas. We are going around in circles here. Complete conjecture here, following up your remark about travel, but it seems that many legacy artists are hesitant to put up with the security delays and mosh-pit conditions that are modren' air travel. My guess is that those who are more in need of the $ are more apt to put up with the inconveniences out of necessity. And as we know there's the family, who Diana is devoted to. PERHAPS a mini-residency in London or Paris with family in adjoining hotel rooms would be acceptable (that's more conjecture!) but unfortunately for the millions of European fans I just don't see a grueling town-to-town tour happening again. Did you discuss anything of the sort in your interview(s)? I lol'ed at this. I don't know if you know from experience, but you are absolutely spot-on. Modern air travel is hell. Hell on and above Earth.
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Post by bluerock on May 17, 2017 23:46:39 GMT
She is not keen on the travelling anymore so a UK and European tour is perhaps unlikely without a new album to promote, and of course she will not get a new contract until she agrees to promote it overseas. We are going around in circles here. Complete conjecture here, following up your remark about travel, but it seems that many legacy artists are hesitant to put up with the security delays and mosh-pit conditions that are modren' air travel. My guess is that those who are more in need of the $ are more apt to put up with the inconveniences out of necessity. And as we know there's the family, who Diana is devoted to. PERHAPS a mini-residency in London or Paris with family in adjoining hotel rooms would be acceptable (that's more conjecture!) but unfortunately for the millions of European fans I just don't see a grueling town-to-town tour happening again. Did you discuss anything of the sort in your interview(s)? Yes i did, and a European tour remains unlikely but not impossible.
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Post by bluerock on May 17, 2017 23:47:05 GMT
She is not keen on the travelling anymore so a UK and European tour is perhaps unlikely without a new album to promote, and of course she will not get a new contract until she agrees to promote it overseas. We are going around in circles here. Hi Bluebrock, it's so good to have you back! Yes, I know, but I thought she didn't want to be attached to a contract and be obliged to travel extensively. I didn't know she wasn't keen to do some shows or a short tour eventually in Europe (without an album to promote), taking into consideration that possibly her biggest market is the U.K., not only in terms of record sales, but also in terms of ticket sales. She already did short tours in EU without a new product to promote a.k.a the 2004 "This is it" shows. Whatever, seeing the recent NY footage, Diana seems so reinvigorated, with a beautiful figure and strong voice, that it crossed my mind why she don't visit some EU countries more often. By the way, I understand your point, Diana just don't want to do all the "travelling work" anymore. She has had grandchildren since then and actually likes being a hands on grandmother just as she was a hands on mother. Also due to her age she tires more easily. I never thought about the possibility of a residency in the UK. She acknowledges the UK is indeed her most successful market but she seems happy enough to just tour domestically and be near her family. Thank you for the kind words. Truly appreciated. Much respect.
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