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Post by bluerock on Jun 20, 2017 19:42:19 GMT
Whatever certain people on here claim Mary is not well regarded or respected by several former Supremes
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Post by peacenharmony on Jun 20, 2017 19:47:01 GMT
Had it not been for Mary Wilson, there would not have been no "Jean Terrell". Berry wanted to get rid of her and Mary said No! I am sure Jean remembers that...........
I don't know what you mean by "we". I do know that the Supremes continued on until the middle of 1977. They were on many television shows and some of their new records were on the radio. They did not end for the rest of the World. You should have told Dick Clark, Don Corneilous, Dinah Shore, Mike Douglas, Johnny Carson, Sonny & Cher, Nat Morris, Sammy Davis Jr, Nancy Wilson, etc. because they all had the Supremes as guest stars on their shows starting in 1974!
However much you try to gloss over the facts by the time Jean and Lynda left the group the general public had all but fallen out of love with the Supremes. They had just one more moderate hit despite making some great records, and their concerts no longer attracted regular large audiences. Didn't they get booed off stage at Madison? Their act was tired despite the immense talents of Scherrie and Susaye. Those two ladies worked their butts off but the chemistry was all wrong and the public would not accept it. They were finished Absolutely agree. Surely Mary tried but just did not learn anything about management and marketing even after nearly 15 successful years. I think Jean and Lynda saw the reality of the situation and had therefore decided to leave the 'contract Supremes' and move on. Whether Mary was really trying to 'keep the spirit' of the Supremes or merely cling to a paycheck we'll never know. I may tend toward the latter since she is always advertised as '... of the Supremes' but in fact does not tour simply as The Supremes with any of the many other ladies who tour under the group name. Just my opinion
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Post by davidhhh on Jun 20, 2017 21:11:21 GMT
Motown didn't just stop promoting them. berry offered to manage the group twice and Mary turned him down twice. in her book she wrote something to the effect, I Wont Loose Control again" then he washed his hands of the group. so to her it was about her being in control apparently. she ran the group into the ground. poor management. now on the other hand, Motown closed down the Detroit location. as a result, many artists,.. producers left behind. see Standing In The Shadows Of Motown . great documentary! and facts. the last few years they were booed off stage at Madison Square Garden. a show scherrie and susaye didn't want to do but Mary did and insisted on. the medleys of hits so fast we thought we were at the Kentucky Derby which was a shame since the ladies talented could rock versions of Someday Well Be Together. the over top broadway non sense just were not the supremes. it was slick vegas shumaltz. the show should have been wrapped around the ladies talents. the last album had some great vocals....You Are The Heart Of Me... Sweet Dream Machine.etc there were good moments and and some bad. we are were hoping the ladies would come back. we wanted them to. I'm Gonna Let My Heart.....was a tremendous return to form. I don't think it fair to blame Motown exactly even though that si what happened. for me its 50 percent Motown and 50 percent Mary Wilson.
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Post by hector on Jun 21, 2017 0:02:09 GMT
However much you try to gloss over the facts by the time Jean and Lynda left the group the general public had all but fallen out of love with the Supremes. They had just one more moderate hit despite making some great records, and their concerts no longer attracted regular large audiences. Didn't they get booed off stage at Madison? Their act was tired despite the immense talents of Scherrie and Susaye. Those two ladies worked their butts off but the chemistry was all wrong and the public would not accept it. They were finished Absolutely agree. Surely Mary tried but just did not learn anything about management and marketing even after nearly 15 successful years. I think Jean and Lynda saw the reality of the situation and had therefore decided to leave the 'contract Supremes' and move on. Whether Mary was really trying to 'keep the spirit' of the Supremes or merely cling to a paycheck we'll never know. I may tend toward the latter since she is always advertised as '... of the Supremes' but in fact does not tour simply as The Supremes with any of the many other ladies who tour under the group name. Just my opinion All that Jean Terrell and Lynda Lawrence did was move on back into obscurity while Mary Wilson is still headlining some 40 plus years later!
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Post by mpn1jco on Jun 22, 2017 8:52:08 GMT
Absolutely agree. Surely Mary tried but just did not learn anything about management and marketing even after nearly 15 successful years. I think Jean and Lynda saw the reality of the situation and had therefore decided to leave the 'contract Supremes' and move on. Whether Mary was really trying to 'keep the spirit' of the Supremes or merely cling to a paycheck we'll never know. I may tend toward the latter since she is always advertised as '... of the Supremes' but in fact does not tour simply as The Supremes with any of the many other ladies who tour under the group name. Just my opinion All that Jean Terrell and Lynda Lawrence did was move on back into obscurity while Mary Wilson is still headlining some 40 plus years later! The line up with Scherrie Payne are considered disco legends. In 2 years they placed 3 albums in the disco top 5.
He's My Man - Number One High Energy - Number Three, not just Heart Do The Walking but also High Energy and Your What's Missing In My Life Mary, Scherrie, and Susaye - Number 5, All Cuts
Because in 1976 they released two albums, Motown deliberately sabotaged them because they wanted Ross to dominate 1976 disco with Love Hangover.
Also, a top ten disco record in the 70s guaranteed a MINIMUM of 250,000 in sales, yet the sales for the Supremes are the exception to the rule. They deliberately made sure those albums were not available for sale.
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Post by hector on Jun 22, 2017 19:24:47 GMT
All that Jean Terrell and Lynda Lawrence did was move on back into obscurity while Mary Wilson is still headlining some 40 plus years later! The line up with Scherrie Payne are considered disco legends. In 2 years they placed 3 albums in the disco top 5.
He's My Man - Number One High Energy - Number Three, not just Heart Do The Walking but also High Energy and Your What's Missing In My Life Mary, Scherrie, and Susaye - Number 5, All Cuts
Because in 1976 they released two albums, Motown deliberately sabotaged them because they wanted Ross to dominate 1976 disco with Love Hangover.
Also, a top ten disco record in the 70s guaranteed a MINIMUM of 250,000 in sales, yet the sales for the Supremes are the exception to the rule. They deliberately made sure those albums were not available for sale. They shipped those Supremes albums to department stores. Most people did not buy their records at dept. stores in the 70s!
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Post by mpn1jco on Jun 24, 2017 13:58:18 GMT
The line up with Scherrie Payne are considered disco legends. In 2 years they placed 3 albums in the disco top 5.
He's My Man - Number One High Energy - Number Three, not just Heart Do The Walking but also High Energy and Your What's Missing In My Life Mary, Scherrie, and Susaye - Number 5, All Cuts
Because in 1976 they released two albums, Motown deliberately sabotaged them because they wanted Ross to dominate 1976 disco with Love Hangover.
Also, a top ten disco record in the 70s guaranteed a MINIMUM of 250,000 in sales, yet the sales for the Supremes are the exception to the rule. They deliberately made sure those albums were not available for sale. They shipped those Supremes albums to department stores. Most people did not buy their records at dept. stores in the 70s! I researched album sales regarding disco chart placing in the 70s. The market was flooded with releases aimed strictly for the disco market. Many of the producers based albums, such as Bionic Boogie or Munich Machine, aimed those albums strictly for the disco market with no desire to crossover. The reason being is that a top ten record on the disco charts GUARANTEED 250,000 sales at a minimum. They were more than satisfied with those numbers. Within a two year period the Supreme had albums that placed at number one, number three, and number five respectively, yet their sales were the same as Ross' in the US after 1985. Motown did not want those albums to sell because even with all of the Motown machine behind Ross, most of her albums sold 250, 000 except the ones which had a number one single. Motown couldn't have Mary Wilson competing with Ross so they sabotaged the group. One copy in a suburban Sears or JC Penny hidden somewhere in the rack is where those albums were.
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Post by hector on Jun 24, 2017 15:35:04 GMT
They shipped those Supremes albums to department stores. Most people did not buy their records at dept. stores in the 70s! I researched album sales regarding disco chart placing in the 70s. The market was flooded with releases aimed strictly for the disco market. Many of the producers based albums, such as Bionic Boogie or Munich Machine, aimed those albums strictly for the disco market with no desire to crossover. The reason being is that a top ten record on the disco charts GUARANTEED 250,000 sales at a minimum. They were more than satisfied with those numbers. Within a two year period the Supreme had albums that placed at number one, number three, and number five respectively, yet their sales were the same as Ross' in the US after 1985. Motown did not want those albums to sell because even with all of the Motown machine behind Ross, most of her albums sold 250, 000 except the ones which had a number one single. Motown couldn't have Mary Wilson competing with Ross so they sabotaged the group. One copy in a suburban Sears or JC Penny hidden somewhere in the rack is where those albums were.
That is exactly what happened. The latter Supremes albums were few and hard to find. You could luck up and find one or two copies in department store. Motown sabotage them, but wanted people to believe the Supremes popularity had dropped drastically for some vague reason. This worked only with Diana Ross die-hard fans as they are the only ones that give all sorts of made up reasons why the Supremes record sales declined. Either they know the truth and are intentionally lying or they are plain dumb as shit and believed Motown's stories. The Supremes were kicking Diana Ross' butt and Berry Gordy had to put a stop to it.
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Post by Anonymous on Jun 25, 2017 21:15:43 GMT
The line up with Scherrie Payne are considered disco legends. In 2 years they placed 3 albums in the disco top 5.
He's My Man - Number One High Energy - Number Three, not just Heart Do The Walking but also High Energy and Your What's Missing In My Life Mary, Scherrie, and Susaye - Number 5, All Cuts
Because in 1976 they released two albums, Motown deliberately sabotaged them because they wanted Ross to dominate 1976 disco with Love Hangover.
Also, a top ten disco record in the 70s guaranteed a MINIMUM of 250,000 in sales, yet the sales for the Supremes are the exception to the rule. They deliberately made sure those albums were not available for sale. They shipped those Supremes albums to department stores. Most people did not buy their records at dept. stores in the 70s! Now I know why the comments are so stupid at this forum, because you are all bulldaggers. Keep Diana's name out your mouth dykes!
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Post by roberta75 on Jul 14, 2017 1:05:32 GMT
Most people agree that the Supremes were all but finished by 1973. The sluggish record sales and poorly attended concerts concur with that. I still enjoy listening to those final 3 albums, but they did not look or sound like the Supremes anymore. The general public voted with their wallets. The Supremes time had past. As Mary said "it's time to move on". You have your own views which most people on here respect but do not particularly agree with. You should do the same.You cannot change History. The group were finished. Accept that and move forward. Live and let live.
That was a really poor performance all that screaming and hollering and oversinging... manic and real hard to listen to. Thank you my dear Bluebrock Fondly Yours, Roberta
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Post by chainreaction on Jul 15, 2017 11:50:39 GMT
Most people agree that the Supremes were all but finished by 1973. The sluggish record sales and poorly attended concerts concur with that. I still enjoy listening to those final 3 albums, but they did not look or sound like the Supremes anymore. The general public voted with their wallets. The Supremes time had past. As Mary said "it's time to move on". You have your own views which most people on here respect but do not particularly agree with. You should do the same.You cannot change History. The group were finished. Accept that and move forward. Live and let live.
That was a really poor performance all that screaming and hollering and oversinging... manic and real hard to listen to. Thank you my dear Bluebrock Fondly Yours, Roberta Robert darling, I applaud your donating your brain to science, but you weren't finished using it dearie.
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Post by hector on Jul 16, 2017 19:00:29 GMT
That was a really poor performance all that screaming and hollering and oversinging... manic and real hard to listen to. Thank you my dear Bluebrock Fondly Yours, Roberta Robert darling, I applaud your donating your brain to science, but you weren't finished using it dearie. DAMN! LOL!!!!!!
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Post by supremeboy on Jul 23, 2017 7:06:29 GMT
Absolutely agree. Surely Mary tried but just did not learn anything about management and marketing even after nearly 15 successful years. I think Jean and Lynda saw the reality of the situation and had therefore decided to leave the 'contract Supremes' and move on. Whether Mary was really trying to 'keep the spirit' of the Supremes or merely cling to a paycheck we'll never know. I may tend toward the latter since she is always advertised as '... of the Supremes' but in fact does not tour simply as The Supremes with any of the many other ladies who tour under the group name. Just my opinion All that Jean Terrell and Lynda Lawrence did was move on back into obscurity while Mary Wilson is still headlining some 40 plus years later!
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Post by hector on Jul 24, 2017 1:58:58 GMT
Whatever certain people on here claim Mary is not well regarded or respected by several former Supremes Well all I know is that is a lie. All living former Supremes love Mary Wilson. They all came to her rescue when her son died with exception of Lynda Laurence but who the fuck is she anyway???
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Post by mpn1jco on Jul 24, 2017 4:59:12 GMT
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